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Specifically all the ones related to women’s underwear created by inactive user ThePinkShoes back in January. They’re all frivolous and virtually all of them have a consensus to keep. Dronebogus (talk) 00:19, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Dronebogus: Can you give an example of a couple of those from ThePinkShoes with consensus to keep? I see several with exactly 4 voices: 2 for, 2 against. - Jmabel ! talk 04:16, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Commons:Deletion requests/File:Partly pulled black panties.png, Commons:Deletion requests/File:The blue panties and a finger.png Dronebogus (talk) 18:06, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Dronebogus: thanks. Feel free to list any others that are at least 2-to-1 (including nominator) for deletion, and I'll close those. - Jmabel ! talk 01:46, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I've gone through and closed all the ones that were not uploaded by Elementofthisworld, as they were unanimous or near unanimous keeps. However, most of the uploads by Elementofthisworld probably should be deleted on scope grounds, because they're of unusably bad quality. Ras67, Dronebogus, and Jeff posted identical keep messages on all of ThePinkShoes's nominations, so unless they go back and look at those files individually and change their minds, they're not likely to be deleted, but I don't think they should be speedy kept. The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) 05:48, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@The Squirrel Conspiracy: My messages evolved as I found more justifications. Pinging @Elementofthisworld as mentioned above.   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. please ping or talk to me🇺🇦 07:06, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
See also Commons:Deletion requests/Files uploaded by Elementofthisworld.   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. please ping or talk to me🇺🇦 07:41, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

User:Radzivon Panschwitz

User:Radzivon Panschwitz uploads photos of historical personalities such as File:Radaslau Ostrovsky with Himmler.jpg, File:Vital tsyarpitski.png, File:BNSP.png, File:Alexandr Krichinsky.jpg, File:Flag of Belarusian Central Council.png, File:Michal Vituska.jpg (some from the Second World War) and falsely passes them off as “his own work”. Can someone delete these files and warn the user?--KastusK (talk) 21:30, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@KastusK you are supposed to inform the user about the report at their Talk Page. This is clearly stated above. I have done it this time for you. Please take care of this in future. Regarding your report, you can nominate all of them for deletion if you believe they are copyvios. There is a well established process for this. Shaan SenguptaTalk 09:30, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Please resolve this issue

We all know that Commons policies don't prohibit AI images. However there are two users (who apparently don't like AI images) want to delete my image here for reasons outside any rules. My image is free and has no violations. They added invalid reasons, like: they delete the image themselves from other projects and then claim "it was removed from there"! They even try to remove it from any project to give the impression that it's a (useless and unused image). I'm tired of this and I hope the admins close the discussion ASAP. --Ibrahim.ID 07:04, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Com:NOTUSED is a policy. I'd suggest you spend more time explaining where it could be rather than arguing to have it resolved here. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 09:46, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It was removed from the enwiki article as a consensus based on a discussion at that site, not a unilateral action by one involved editor. DMacks (talk) 14:00, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Comment Whether an image is used in an en:w article is an issue for discussion on en:w. Deletion discussions with multiple comments are sometimes open for considerable time. IMO this is not an issue for Wikimedia Adninistrators' noticeboard. -- Infrogmation of New Orleans (talk) 14:23, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Should we do sometthing about Count of JK?

There seems to be a lot of complaints regarding his photos of adolescent Taiwanese school girls Trade (talk) 13:53, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Agree. Some of the images individually might arguably be mundane street photography, but looking at the user's uploads as a series seems CREEP. (From a quick look, I am unsure if the user knows much English, perhaps someone who knows Chinese can alert the user to concerns?) -- Infrogmation of New Orleans (talk) 14:29, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thoughts on this comment? Trade (talk) 16:51, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I welcome the change in assessment. You had previously closed two DRs as "keep".
If it was just one or two images, then one could argue that it's fine, but the user seems to specifically go for photos of school girls. I'm also having a hard time believing that the photos are about school uniforms because if that was the case then I'd expect that there would be as many photos of boys in school uniforms as there are photos of girls in school uniforms to give a complete picture of a school's uniforms, but there's only a single of photo of boys in school uniforms among the uploads while there are quite a lot of photos of girls so that it really feels like the focus is rather on girls than on school uniforms. Nakonana (talk) 18:54, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
* I have no objection to their being deleted; I see they already have been. Those listings were closed as kept per discussion on the listings and evaluation of the files as individual images. Given the uploader's pattern, I have no objection to wide deletion of their uploads even if some images may arguably be less objectionable if evaluated in isolation. -- Infrogmation of New Orleans (talk) 22:14, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
coz this east asian phenomenon (students having to wear such uniforms, and subsequently people's interest in it) w:School_uniforms_in_Japan#Late_20th_century is mostly about girls. RoyZuo (talk) 19:04, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, I'm aware of that, but if we'd argue in the uploader's defense that the uploader is uploading these images for educational purposes to illustrate school uniforms, then the expectation would be that they show us the female and male versions of the school uniforms. The fact that their photos almost exclusively show girls is probably what makes people uncomfortable about their uploads. (The other reasons being that the photos were seemingly secretly taken and kind of seem to focus on the girls' legs specifically.) Nakonana (talk) 19:21, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
One of the photos specifically looks like an failed attempt of an upskirt Trade (talk) 19:25, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I suggest this problem/phenomenon be raised on vp for a wider discussion.
The problem here is, there are some enthusiasts about school uniforms, but for whatever reason they dont manage to ask pupils or adult models to pose in those uniforms for photos, so they resort to snapshotting pupils in the streets.
This is not the 1st user doing this I've seen on wiki. RoyZuo (talk) 17:53, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
If the uploader does not respond on the consent concerns I would simply delete all photos of people by this user. GPSLeo (talk) 18:00, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
What would stop him from uploading more? Trade (talk) 18:02, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
If the user does not respond to any concerns we need to block them. GPSLeo (talk) 18:20, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Might help if we had an editor who spoke their native language Trade (talk) 18:55, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
vp? Trade (talk) 18:01, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Trade Commons:Village pump probably. Nakonana (talk) 18:56, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
RoyZuo seeem more familiar with this than i am so i would prefer if he did it Trade (talk) 18:59, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Trade: Citing COM:AN/U rather than this board in Special:Diff/1028378106 was careless of you.   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. please ping or talk to me🇺🇦 17:35, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hardly. Small technical error at worst--Trade (talk) 18:02, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Looks like a sock puppet of 氏子.
  • "淡水河口夕陽.jpg", January 9 by Count of JK
    "淡水河口夕陽.jpg", January 9 by Count of JK
  • "淡水河口的夕陽.jpg", January 10 by 氏子
    "淡水河口夕陽.jpg", January 10 by 氏子
  • "淡水河口夕陽與淡江大橋.jpg", January 9 by Count of JK
    "淡水河口夕陽與淡江大橋.jpg", January 9 by Count of JK
  • "淡水河口的夕陽與臺北港.jpg", January 10 by 氏子
    "淡水河口夕陽與臺北港.jpg", January 10 by 氏子
  • And these,
  • latest upload of 氏子, 4 May 2025, used SONY XQ-BT52
    latest upload of 氏子, 4 May 2025, used SONY XQ-BT52
  • last upload of Count of JK, 27 April 2025, used SONY XQ-BT52
    last upload of Count of JK, 27 April 2025, used SONY XQ-BT52
  • Check Count of JK's initial edits, too. The first account may be even earlier, but I cannot determine.
    All were uploaded by 寺人孟子.
    Akishima Yuka (talk) 05:52, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    JK means Joshi Kousei (high school girl); I suppose the Count created this account solely for uploading high school girl pictures? Akishima Yuka (talk) 06:10, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    At least one of the pictures was shot in a university classroom, so they presumably didn't shoot only high school girls. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:43, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

    in a university classroom

    Not as the filename Taipei First Girls' High School indicates... Akishima Yuka (talk) 06:57, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Got it, you meant Commons:Deletion_requests/File:國立臺北教育大學學生.jpg (Student at National Taipei University of Education). Akishima Yuka (talk) 14:18, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    @Pi.1415926535 Do you think it's necessary to checkuser? Akishima Yuka (talk) 09:59, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    I must open one, the user was reported to be a sock not only once by not only one user.
    Akishima Yuka (talk) 13:05, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Akishima Yuka (talk) 13:28, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

    I have blocked the user and deleted all of their photos of people. If they want to explain why they are uploading photos of minors taken without their consent or knowledge, they can do so in an unblock request. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 20:25, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

    Could you at least leave them a message on their talk page to explain why you acted as you did and give them a chance to explain themselves? And modify their block so they can still participate in this discussion (and any future related discussions regarding their contributions? It feels wrong of me to make an AN thread that the user in question is prevented from participating in Trade (talk) 20:43, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    I will leave a talk page note (in English - others are welcome to translate). Again, if they want to explain themselves, they can do so in an unblock request. Uploading nonconsensually-taken photos of minors is a 'block first, ask questions later' scenario. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 21:34, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Alr. ill see if i can get anyone to translate your talk page message once you have placed it Trade (talk) 21:54, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

    @Pi.1415926535: Your responses here consistently suggest that uploading photos of minors taken without their consent is grounds for a block:

    • First comment above: If they want to explain why they are uploading photos of minors taken without their consent or knowledge, they can do so in an unblock request.
    • Second comment above: Uploading nonconsensually-taken photos of minors is a 'block first, ask questions later' scenario.
    • Block log entry, quoted in its entirety: Uploading photos of minors taken without consent
    • Most deletion log entries, quoted in their entirety: Photos of minors taken without consent

    But merely uploading photos of minors taken without their consent does not even come close to justifying a block, especially without warning.

    You also closed Commons:Deletion requests/Files uploaded by Count of JK after just 16 minutes as Deleted: per nomination. The entire deletion rationale was: Out of scope as unusably bad quality. All of these images have heads cut off and many are shot at weird angles. We have lots of way better images in Category:Senior high school girls of Taiwan.

    But that deletion rationale does not justify a speedy deletion, especially when two of the files had already survived deletion requests (Commons:Deletion requests/File:穿短裙的女學生.jpg and Commons:Deletion requests/File:公車上玩手機的女孩.jpg).

    To be clear, I’m not saying that your actions can’t be justified. But I am saying that they can’t be justified by the comments you made. Brianjd (talk) 07:43, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

    I am confused because of what I wrote in my previous comment.
    I am also confused about the broader issue. Apparently, Count of JK’s actions were so serious that they justified speedy deletion and an indefinite block without warning. But they were not so serious that they required referral to the legal team. Trade’s ‘Thoughts on this comment?’ links to Jmabel’s ‘upskirt’ comment, which was discussed at Commons:Deletion requests/File:公車上玩手機的女孩.jpg, where I noted a similar contradiction. Brianjd (talk) 08:05, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    For what it’s worth, Commons:Deletion requests/File:國立臺北教育大學學生.jpg suggests that one subject was actually an adult. Pinging @Ikan Kekek. Brianjd (talk) 12:12, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Keeping in mind that I may have seen most but not all of the photos that were nominated for deletion, I think this is an overreaction. Concentrating on photographing girls and not both girls and boys is neither a crime nor something we should be judging; I doubt if he photographed both, that would actually make people more comfortable; and enough of his photos were usable for it to be worth stating some kinds of standards of what will lead to deletion (for example, a photo of the torso without the face that seems to overemphasize a minor's bosom or anything suggestive of a nonconsensual upskirt photo). It also seems completely absurd to me not to attempt to have a discussion with this individual in Chinese. There are admins who speak Chinese, and their help should be requested. Otherwise, I hope Brianjd's remarks are addressed. Ikan Kekek (talk) 13:30, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Could you ping those admins? Trade (talk) 14:04, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Anyone could. I searched on COM:Administrators. On the right side, you see this:
    Administrators as of May 2025
    Listing by: LanguageDateActivity
    I clicked "Language", got Commons:List of administrators by language, and scrolled down to the end of
    Administrators as of May 2025
    Listing by: LanguageDateActivity
    knowing that "zh" would be at least close to the end. So User:Jusjih, User:King of Hearts, User:Minorax, User:Mys 721tx, User:Shizhao. Next time, do it yourself instead of asking someone else to do it. Ikan Kekek (talk) 16:38, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Geeez calm down dude Trade (talk) 17:18, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Unwarranted assumption. I'm perfectly calm and showed you how to do that so you don't even have to make the efforts I made to find the right boards, etc. Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:44, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    call it what you want then i suppose--Trade (talk) 18:07, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    You're welcome. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:29, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

    Brianjd brings my name into this above, presumably because of [1]. I stand by that. The photo in question was creepy but presumably legal. It was certainly out of scope. - Jmabel ! talk 19:19, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

    ✓ Done Indef blocked by Pi Gbawden (talk) 12:13, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Which is fine, but do we have sufficient usable photos of girls in these types of uniforms with even perfectly OK photos by this user deleted? My opinion, which may be a minority one on Commons, is that I judge each photo by what it shows and don't believe in deleting all photos of a user - in this case, including one of college students - because they were blocked or their motives are believed or determined to be problematic. I also think unilaterally summarily deleting all their photos is downright bad and presumptuous, considering the threads we've had proposing the deletion of other banned users' photos that were voted down, for example those of LivioAndronico. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 02:59, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

    usable photos of girls in these types of uniforms

    I tried to check other pictures and found that many of them were shot with the same device.
    What if there's one person used above 6 accounts to upload such pictures during a very short period of time? Do you have any clue on why they utilized so many accounts with random usernames?
    February 2023 accounts:
    March 2023:
    October 2023:
    November 2023:
    January 2024:
    March 2024:
    April 2024:
    May 2024:
    June 2024:
    September 2024:
    Akishima Yuka (talk) 03:56, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Quite a lot of them, same device. Special:Search/女生+制服. Akishima Yuka (talk) 04:50, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    I guess an application that utilizes Wikimedia Commons as image hosting has been developed. Akishima Yuka (talk) 04:58, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

    Please redact inappropriate user page message

    Dear admins,

    if one clicks on “Edit” on the user page of Eatcha, the following message appears above the edit field:

    STOP NOW! OR I WILL SHOOT!
    Click here to leave a message.

    I understand very well that users do not like it if other people edit their user page. But (a) there may be legitimate and helpful reasons to do this – e.g. to fix broken links or to update broken templates. And (b) I think the wording is just too much. Never before I have seen a user page which threatens me with death. IMHO it is tasteless and really bad behaviour to threaten other users with killing them. There was no Code of conduct when Eatcha added that notice, but even some years ago Commons was not the Wild West.

    Yes, maybe this is “just a phrase”. But there are more polite phrases to express the same thing. And just the fact that somebody chooses such a violent phrase is still tasteless and really bad behaviour. Using all caps and bold face means that the user is shouting at us and emphasizes the threatening character of the message.

    I would ask Eatcha to remove/improve that message, but they are gone (no contributions since 18 November 2021). AFAICS they are also not active elsewhere. Therefore, dear admins, please consider to redact that message. Thank you very much, – Aristeas (talk) 08:00, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

    I am inclined to agree that this message is in bad taste (‘tasteless’ seems like the wrong word here; ‘distasteful’ could also work). But I also find it hard to believe that anyone would seriously interpret this as a death threat. (To interpret this as a death threat, you have to read it as an idiom. And if you know enough about English to do that, then you probably also know that phrases like this are often used humorously.)
    There is a broader issue here: for users not familiar with edit notices, it is not clear that this message was written by Eatcha (as opposed to being written by an admin or included in the software itself). Brianjd (talk) 08:16, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    I would also say that we should disallow such personal messages in general. GPSLeo (talk) 09:00, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    I worked a lot on COM:FPC with Eatcha when he was active here on Commons, and he was a flamboyant user, his editing was often a bit over the top and he liked to leave an imprint on whatever he was working on. I'd say this message was typically him.
    At least the messages on his user page should be modified, all of them, including the threat. The Bots he made are not working or working badly. We are relying on FPCBot for doing much of the work with FPs, and Aristeas it trying to fix those issues. Whatever bot(s) he made for taking care of the COM:FMC and COM:FV, are not working, and I've been maintaining that project manually for about a year now. Eatcha's edits on this project needs a serious cleanup. --Cart (talk) 10:13, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Hi, I will simply reprhase their notice and revdel their previous one. This is simply not good. signed, Aafi (talk) 10:36, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    ✓ Done This is sorted User:Eatcha/Templates/UserPageEditNotice - both revdelled and re-phrased. I have also left them a note. signed, Aafi (talk) 10:42, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Many thanks to all of you and especially to Aafi for rephrasing the message! The new text is perfect and expresses clearly what Eatcha probably wanted to say. – I have changed the section of this heading – not everybody will receive Eatcha’s original message as threatening (as I did), but most of us will agree that it was inappropriate.
    Still open is the question raised by Brianjd and GPSLeo: Regardless of the wording, is not obvious that such a message comes from the user (here: Eatcha), not from an admin or the Mediawiki software. This may cause misunderstandings. But maybe this should be a separate discussion because it concerns user page edit notices in general. Best, – Aristeas (talk) 12:55, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    The user subpage that I've linked above is very clear. The message comes from who created it, and here it's only Eatcha — and it's existed for about six years since 2019. ─ Aafī on Mobile (talk) 13:25, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Aafi, I absolutely agree with your edit and thank you very much for it! I just understood (maybe wrongly) the answers above by Brianjd and GPSLeo in the sense that user page edit notices in general need more regulation etc. I leave this question to the experienced admins, the issue which made me write the request above is solved, thank you all again. – Aristeas (talk) 16:21, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

    Uploading mass images without a license

    Can I clarify something: do we allow people to do mass uploads without a corresponding license at the point of upload? Can someone give me the policy for this? I need to see if my understanding is off. - Chris.sherlock2 (talk) 13:57, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

    It's not the result of something like Commons:Village pump#Major design problem in Visual Editor? Or some issue around the permission pending template (I don't remember what the exact issue was, but if I'm not mistaken, it was something where no license was added in the uploading process if one chose the option that a VRT permission would be added later on)? Nakonana (talk) 15:19, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    @Chris.sherlock2: It is not "ok" to mass-upload without a license. It will be speedy deleted after 7 days. However, perhaps it would be better to keep the discussion confined to one noticeboard (or wait until that discussion has "finished". Raising the same concerns or user behavior here may come across as forum shopping, given the ongoing AN/U thread. --Jonatan Svensson Glad (talk) 15:37, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    The ongoing ANU thread is about the behaviour of a particular individual, this was a very much side issue that got raised. I’m not trying to “forum shop”, I am asking for clarification around an issue that seems unusual to me.
    The discussion you reference has only tangentially mentioned this, and I have not mentioned their name very deliberately as I’m only trying to clarify a particular question. If it seems otherwise, that is not my intent. - Chris.sherlock2 (talk) 18:25, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    No, I don’t think it was this. This is an issue where you mass upload images. - Chris.sherlock2 (talk) 18:27, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    There's some issues right now in the Upload Wizard making it impossible in certain scenarios to add a license as part of uploading. (You have to come by and fix later.) They are supposedly working on it.
    Also, I believe this is literally inevitable when using the Upload Wizard, Flickr2Commons, and probably other tools to upload "PD-mark" content from Flickr. If you are referring to Adamant1's recent upload of Russian content, mainly posters, that last is exactly what happened. - Jmabel ! talk 19:25, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    I see. Thank you for clarifying. - Chris.sherlock2 (talk) 19:34, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

    Commons:Help desk/Archive 1

    OneClickArchiver incorrectly archives Commons:Help desk to Commons:Help desk/Archive 1 instead of the monthly archive pages.

    While a fix is prepared, fully protecting Commons:Help desk/Archive 1 (which in any case should not be used) will prevent that. Please do so. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:51, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

    @Pigsonthewing: Did you finish cleaning it of your archiving? Pinging @Elli as maintainer.   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. please ping or talk to me🇺🇦 16:56, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    @Jeff G. sorry, been busy with finals. I'll try to get to it soon, but may take a bit. Elli (talk) 17:35, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

    IPBE for my account

    Hi. Could an admin add me to IPBE user group? Looks like I need the local exemption in addition to global one. Thanks -- DaxServer (talk) 13:55, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

    ✓ Done granted. - Jmabel ! talk 19:05, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]