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Sarvagyana guru

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Already reasons for clearing those templates are given in your Talk page. You may refer the same and I once again suggest that you be more careful and discerning in splashing Talk pages of other Users with unreasonable templates and messages. Rampant misuse of these messages and templates will cause these templates to lose their significance and importance. Hope everything is clarified. I also suggest that you personally remove all those messages and templates from my Talk page. Sarvagyana guru (talk) 07:37, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
 Not done. I do not see copyvios after final warning. But I see 2 very well sourced collages and that's good. Taivo (talk) 10:28, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Agustín Hurtado

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Agustín Hurtado (talk • contribs • block log • filter log) has repeatedly uploaded copyright violations despite being warned. It appears to be another sock puppet from Summerry2024 (talk • contribs • block log • filter log). --Ovruni (talk) 12:54, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

✓ Done. One week block. Taivo (talk) 10:22, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
In Commons:Requests for checkuser/Case/Summerry2024 it has been established that it is possible or probable that Agustin Hurtado is a Summerry2024 blocking evasion. --Ovruni (talk) 20:50, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

User:jaybirdsrainbow

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Exhibitionist account, not here to do anything constructive Dronebogus (talk) 00:14, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

✓ Done Warned again, all files deleted. Let's see if the message gets through. Yann (talk) 18:44, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Adamant1 (again)

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Hi, Adamant1, while contesting the closure of Commons:Deletion requests/Files in Category:Maximum cards of India on User:Abzeronow's talk page ([1], has used inacceptable language, specially "lazy ass slack", so I warned him. But instead of backing off and apologize, he continues on my talk page. He was warned before for such behavior, so I think that some action is needed. Yann (talk) 15:38, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Boomerang

I said on my talk page that I could have been a little nicer about it and I don't think I've left Abzeronow a message about this or anything else in the meantime. So Yann's assertion that I didn't back off or apologize is patently false. What I do is leave him a message asking why he feels the need to constantly antagonize me with block warnings the second I get defense or make a slightly critical message towards someone on here. I've asked Yann to back off me several times. I've reported him for it. Other people have told him to disengage. Yet here we are with him still getting up my ass and trying to have me blocked. There's what, 200 administrators on here? Yet somehow every damn there's a minor issue with my behavior Yann is the one getting on me about it for some reason. I shouldn't have to keep asking him to let another administrator deal with it.

I would have had absolutely zero problem with Abzeronow saying something about the comment or blocking me over it. This is only continuing because Yann is obsessed with my behavior and can't leave me the hell alone for some reason. He should be blocked for harassment. Pure and simple. That would deal with the issue. He's been reported to ANU and called out by other people multiple times for being over zealous in his usage of talk page warnings and blocks. He's blocked me several times for reasons that were clearly not issues. He's blocked other users over things that weren't problems. He's ran multiple people off the platform over the same behavior. I'm sick of dealing with it. He just needs to be blocked at this point. --Adamant1 (talk) 16:02, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

That is pretty far from an apology for either the language you used toward Abzeronow or the even more excessive language toward Yann on your talk page. Normally, I've been one of your strongest advocates here, and I think you do a lot of good work, but that does not give you a license to abuse other people. - Jmabel ! talk 17:06, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Jmabel: I was only logged on for like 20 minutes before Yann reported. I was actually planning on leaving Abzeronow an apology on their talk page but I wasn't given a chance to. Ergo one of the reasons why I think Yann should be sanctioned. It's absolute BS for an administrator to give someone a warning while their logged out and then to report them the second they do for supposedly backing off and apologizing. If Yann actually cared he would have given me a chance to resolve it on my own when I logged back in and actually had the time to. I'm sorry I didn't wake up 4 in the morning to apologize for something just so Yann wouldn't act like an antagonistic bully though. You guys have to do a better job giving people an opportunity to fix their own problems on here. I don't know how many times I've been warned about or blocked for things that I was in the middle of dealing with. It's just an unprofessional, trashy way to treat people. --Adamant1 (talk) 17:22, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Adamant1, It can sometimes to be difficult to communicate with you because you tend to show up to a discussion ready to fight. So I sometimes have to step away before I respond to you because I don't want to feed into the feeling that discussions have to be arguments when I'm talking to you. I still think you can contribute in a valuable way. As for apologies, I leave that decision to you, if you wish to do so, then you may do so, if not, then don't. I am not going to let hotheaded words sway how I deal with you, but I'd like to talk with you in ways that are conducive to collaboration. Abzeronow (talk) 19:21, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Abzeronow: That's fair. I appreciate the level headed way you generally handle things. I had a pretty rough day yesterday because of things going on IRL. I should have just taken the time offline to deal with it instead of snapping at you. I apologize for the less then civil tone though. I should have phrased things better. --Adamant1 (talk) 19:26, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I also want to address one misconception you have, since the comment was about me, I can't be an arbiter of things that involve me, so I can't be the one to block or sanction. Yes, I probably should asked you to retract the uncivil comments, but I also did not want to escalate. Yann strikes me as a reasonable administrator, I do have my disagreements with him on policy but Yann has never given me the impression that he seeks out arguments. But anyway, I do appreciate that you can see what you could have done differently and I would appreciate if you could retract "a lazy ass slack off". Abzeronow (talk) 20:18, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
You need to stop being abusive in the first place. It’s not good enough to sake something inflammatory or rude and then need to apologise. For most people, this can occasionally happen and we give them some slack. But if you are entering into discussions, regularly making these sort of remarks, and then find 20 minutes later you need to apologise then that is not Yann or anyone else’s issue - that’s something you need to deal with. If you are being pinged almost immediately by Yann after the umpteenth time (I’ve been away for about 9-11 months and I see you are *still* having the same issues) then you can’t complain about *his* behaviour.
You need to modify your behaviour. Once you do, then people will stop demanding you change your behaviour. - Chris.sherlock2 (talk) 12:15, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Chris.sherlock2: I've actually calmed down quite a lot in the last year and it's not a regularly thing by any means. I still have bad days once in a while just like everyone else does though. Just because I was kind of a asshole 4 or 5 years ago doesn't mean I deserve to have Yann or anyone else has to be up my ass trying to get me indefed the second I say something rude to someone. There's still the presumption of good faith and basic etiquette. --Adamant1 (talk) 12:25, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
But it wasn’t 4 or 5 years ago that I saw these behavioural issues. It was just over 9 months ago. I’m sad because I think you are, by and large, a productive member of commons. But it doesn’t mean your behaviour is acceptable at the moment.
thiscis not about you “being a asshole 4 or 5 years ago”. This is about your behaviour now.
look, I know what it’s like to get targeted. In this case, I think you are in conflict with two other uses. But your accusations against Yann are off base. He’s not persecuting you. He’s trying to prevent all out war - caused in large part by the way you speak to others. He, and other admins, must step in to deal with issues you are involved in. And time after time, I see the same thing - you have said something inflammatory, the other party does the same, and the whole thing gets derailed needing someone like Yann to step into fix a problem you caused.
Whilst it’s excellent you recognise you often need to apologise, the consequence is ill feeling during the discussion, nothing productive is discussed and it devolves to insult, and admins have no choice but to step in. If you had not made the personal remarks, or insulted the other party, then a. You wouldn’t need to apologise, and b. we’d get to consensus better.
You need to do better. You’ve had years to do so. Apologies feel thin if the behaviour you have to apologise for repeats itself. - Chris.sherlock2 (talk) 12:45, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
That's why I said "I've actually calmed down quite a lot in the last year." What I didn't say is that I've been 100% perfect in the last 4 or 5 years. I was certainly way more argumentative when I first signed up for my account though. But what I was responding to is your claim that I'm "frequently apologizing" for things, which is just patently false. Supposedly you haven't even been on here in 9 months but somehow you know I'm frequently apologizing for things when I never said I am and know one else did either. Again, I'm not frequently doing anything, apologizing or otherwise. --Adamant1 (talk) 12:55, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
But here we are, on the admin noticeboard with you being accused of making personal comments that have derailed yet another deletion discussion. You aren’t doing a great job of convincing me you have changed. - Chris.sherlock2 (talk) 13:10, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Jmabel: BTW, if you want another example of that Yann left me a talk page messaging about adding the proper licenses to some poster, I told him I was in the middle of doing it, and then he deleted the images almost immediately before I could. It's just an unprofessional, dumb way to deal with things. --Adamant1 (talk) 17:34, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Why didn’t you add the license when you uploaded it? It’s not hard to do. - Chris.sherlock2 (talk) 12:16, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Chris.sherlock2: I uploaded like 2,000 files that needed licenses added to them and an administrator told me I could take a couple of weeks to do it. So there wasn't a reason to add the license the second I uploaded the file. A lot of this stuff has really benign explanations. People just like to over react about things on here. --Adamant1 (talk) 12:29, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I don’t know the context behind this, you are the one who raised this as a grievance. If this was recent, then you should have submitted the licenses when you uploaded them, despite the kindness afforded to you by another admin. You’ve been on Commons for years. You know how it works.
Your example, sadly, shows you have again caused unnecessary work and drama for others. You seem impulsive, and as someone with ADHD I have some sympathy. But as someone with this condition, I have to take active measures to stop my impulsiveness on the project. I can’t consistently allow my behaviour to impact on those around me. You have the same responsibility.
And, to reiterate, you raised the example of the upload in this case so you I’m addressing it as you have raised it. - Chris.sherlock2 (talk) 12:50, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
What unnecessary work and drama? I don't even know what your talking about and honestly I don't think you do either. I uploaded some files and an administrator said I could take a few weeks to add licenses to them. Know one cares and it's a non-issue. --Adamant1 (talk) 12:59, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
And yet another admin clearly disagrees. I disagree. If you upload images everyone can access immediately, they need a license. It’s part of your agreement with Commons.
So that I can see the context (you raised this) can you point me to where you did the upload and where the admin allowed you to add the licenses afterwards? - Chris.sherlock2 (talk) 13:08, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Jmabel seemed to be fine with it to. So that's me and two administrators. Even if you look at the template for files that don't have licenses it gives the uploader a week to add one. Your free to disagree with that, but this isn't really the forum to discuss it. --Adamant1 (talk) 13:16, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
And yet… you then had to do a deletion request for dozens of posters where you didn’t have an appropriate license. Can you explain how that happened? - Chris.sherlock2 (talk) 14:00, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Partially copied from something I said to User:The Squirrel Conspiracy) Adamant1 has been blocked for hostility and disruptive deletion nominations in the past. Just recently, in Commons:Deletion requests/File:This Is Fine (meme).png, Adamant1 accused me of “drama farming” (twice), “cry bullying” (twice) “trying to instigate things in every DR for no reason”, staging an “axe grinding harassment campaign” against him, and “trolling” in the span of three comments. Those are all serious accusations and they’re mainly because I said he was being indiscriminate in his nominations— which I think is a legitimate interpretation since they tend to be rapid fire, rather sloppy DRs based solely on the fact that an image is AI generated, padded out with boilerplate arguments like “OOS” or “not a web host” and/or rambling complaints/asides. I think Adamant1 is a good user, but the moment you get on his bad side he snaps and starts calling people names. However, the real issue is not that he does this (nobody’s perfect), but that he does not seem to think it’s even a problem because everyone else is wrong and he’s always right. At this point I just don’t think that will ever change and regretfully propose an indef. Dronebogus (talk) 18:25, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not going to respond to everyone who comments but I think it's worth noting that Dronebogus has a history of trying to get me blocked for extremely minor none issues and was told to disengage from me twice now. He never had anything to do with until I voted against an interaction ban between him and someone from Wikipedocracy. I would 100% call someone who tried to get me blocked repeatedly for months on end over the last year and even after being told multiple times to back off me as being on an "axe grinding harassment campaign." I don't really know what else to call it. Especially again, consider that he had absolutely nothing what-so-ever to do with me on here until I voted against an interaction ban between him and another user and he's been constantly up my ass since then. I'm not going to gaslight and act him repeatedly instigating things and trying to get me blocked over non-issues is an acceptable, normal way to act. Sorry. --Adamant1 (talk) 18:35, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Why did you go back and add objectively worse language to an already uncivil remark? In what universe is that acceptable? Dronebogus (talk) 18:44, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I couldn't call "ass" uncivil. It's just kind of immature. I explained the lazy thing in the DR, but a good percentage of the images were clearly copyrighted. He kept all of them because a few weren't though and then when messaged him about it he told me to file individual DRs for the ones that are copyrighted. In any other situation the administrator would have just kept the few that weren't copyrighted and deleted the rest. So it just seemed like a lazy, disrespectful way to handle the situation on his end. I could have phrased it better though. But were all volunteers and administrators should be able to fix their mistakes without expecting someone to do 15 individuals DRs for images that are copyrighted just because they couldn't be bothered to delete them. --Adamant1 (talk) 18:56, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
If you don’t think calling someone a “lazy-ass slack off” is uncivil I’d hate to see what your idea of incivility is. Dronebogus (talk) 18:59, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I could have phrased the comment better. That's why I was planning on apologizing before Yann filed this. --Adamant1 (talk) 19:02, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
You shouldn’t have been saying any of these things in the first place. May I remind you that you started your defence of your unacceptable remarks to Dronebogus with:
I'm not going to respond to everyone who comments but I think it's worth noting that Dronebogus has a history of trying to get me blocked for extremely minor none issues and was told to disengage from me twice now.
Now you are saying that you were in the wrong with the comments he specifically mentioned. Even in your defense here you clearly show you don’t understand how your behaviour is problematic. - Chris.sherlock2 (talk) 12:21, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I don’t intend to weigh in on the full merits of this case, but I want to share some past interactions I've had with Adamant1 that may be relevant to ongoing concerns about interpersonal behavior and boundary-setting.

In April 2025, we had a drawn-out disagreement on whether Commons was “policing” other projects when handling AI-generated content. While the core topic was debatable, Adamant1 repeatedly responded with personal barbs, sarcastic framing, and accusatory language, rather than engaging neutrally with policy arguments. For example:

  • He misrepresented my position as supporting copyright violations, writing: Nice to know you're cool with Commons hosting copyrighted material. It's a weird position for an admin to take if I'm being honest, but alright. You do you lol. (reply)
  • When I asked to keep the discussion constructive, he responded by calling me “sensitive,” questioning my authority to write guidance, and accusing me of "posturing": No offense since you're clearly sensitive, but the essay on your talk page and user space came off as exactly that... You're not a regular contributor to the project... The essay is clearly posturing and not based on policy.
  • More broadly, the exchange was filled with comments like "we already 'police' other projects" and "people think AI generated artwork is literally on par with the second coming of Jesus", which made productive discussion nearly impossible.

This mirrors what I see playing out here: once conflict starts, Adamant1 often frames it in intensely personal terms—accusations of harassment, gatekeeping, conspiracies, etc.—even when the initial disagreement may have been minor or policy-based. That kind of rhetoric is counterproductive, especially on project-wide forums like AN/U or DRs.

  • Example (above): Calling Yann “obsessed” and claiming he should be blocked. Adamant1 escalates instead of apologizing, uses combative and accusatory language toward an admin: "He should be blocked for harassment. Pure and simple."
  • Example (above): Refusal to take responsibility and attacking administrative process. "It’s just an unprofessional, trashy way to treat people."

I’m not saying this necessarily should lead to a block, but I do believe a pattern is evident. I support some form of behavioral sanction or enforced cooldown to prevent future spirals. A narrow topic ban (e.g. from discussing another user’s motives) might be more effective than an indef at this point. --Jonatan Svensson Glad (talk) 18:49, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I thought we had worked that out. I'm sad you think otherwise. I do make things personal sometimes, but often in response to other people making it personal first. Yann was told by other users to disengage from when I reported him for the same behavior last year and plenty of people have complained about similar behavior. That's not a conspiracy theory. Administrators are just held to a different standard then regular users and it's impossible to criticize their behavior without this being the result. --Adamant1 (talk) 18:56, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I have always believed Yann has never been an exemplary admin, but that has nothing to do with you going around insulting people at every opportunity. Dronebogus (talk) 19:01, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Dronebogus in the deletion request he cited above of me supposedly being uncivil. "Keep Adamant1 going around deleting every AI image he can find, especially if they are in scope at this point."
Two messages down from that "Please stop feuding with me and Prototype. Focus on the content, not the contributor." Dude cites a DR where he insulted me totally unprovoked and for no reason as an example of why I should be blocked for uncivility. OK. --Adamant1 (talk) 19:05, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The first was frustration at seeing your name attached to yet another AI related DR. It wasn’t super nice of me to say but it’s tame compared to your default tone in these discussions. The other was requesting you stop looking for a fight. At neither point did I call you a lazy ass slackoff or too sensitive or not a real contributor a troll or whatever else you routinely call people you disagree with. Dronebogus (talk) 19:10, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
And my response in those discussion was frustration at you and Protospective repeatedly accusing me of harrasement over and over for no reason. What's your point? I can't be frustrated when you and Protospective baselessly and repeatedly go off about how I'm harassing him for no reason but then I should be indefed if I get a little defense in response to it. Then you wonder why I said were cry bullying. --Adamant1 (talk) 19:19, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
If you acknowledge that you make things personal sometimes, then you need to stop making things personal *at all*. Are you saying, going forward, that it might be acceptable for you to make personal comments?
You see, AdamAnt1, most people slip uP occasionally. As in - rarely. But you don’t slip up occasionally. You make personal comments frequently - so frequently that you now admit that you reread your comments and realise you have to apologise not 20 minutes later. Well, that’s on *you* and nobody else. You should not be making personal comments at all. As I say, we all make rash comments at some point. These are not the norm. Yours, however, are now the norm so much so that you have frequently apologise for what you wrote only minutes after you submit the comments.
Getting upset you are called out for this unacceptable at this stage. It is you who need to change your behaviour. You’ve had a *lot* of chances. You need to change your modus operandi. - Chris.sherlock2 (talk) 12:29, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Chris.sherlock2: I had to apologize for that one comment. People make comments that they apologize for sometimes. That's just how it works. It's not frequent though. I'm not frequently apologizing for things and I never said I am. It was one comment. --Adamant1 (talk) 12:32, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
You literally just accused Yann of sending threatening messages when he did not. This is not a one off. - Chris.sherlock2 (talk) 13:39, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I said it felt threating because of him blocking me no reason and I've asked him not to leave warnings on my talk page. I'm allowed to have my own feelings about things. It's not that big a deal. I would have just preferred it if another administrator had of done it and/or I hadn't of been reported to ANU immediately after for no reason. It is against the rules to file false ANU complaints. --Adamant1 (talk) 13:44, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
There is nothing false about the ANU complaint that has been made here. Yann has correctly pinged you for incivility. If you cannot see this, then we definitely have a problem. - Chris.sherlock2 (talk) 19:00, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yann reported me like 10 after giving me the block warning on my talk page for supposedly not backing off or apologizing. I didn't message Abzeronow about this or anything else. So I did actually back off. People aren't obligated to apologize to each other either and he never asked me to apologize. I'd say that's a false report. 1. I backed off 2. He never asked me to apologize and know one is obligated to. There certainly isn't a rule saying that not apologizing is blockable. --Adamant1 (talk) 19:08, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
You have made some pretty egregious personal comments on that deletion discussion. You now seem to be saying they were acceptable. - Chris.sherlock2 (talk) 19:14, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think you understand what I'm saying or your confused about the time line. It's not about the comments in the deletion discussion. It's that Yann reported me for supposedly not backing off things when I had. What part of that are you not understanding? It's pretty simple, if someone "backs off" and then they are reported for not "backing off" then it's a false report. --Adamant1 (talk) 19:18, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • If somebody compiled a list of all the a) insults and b) other at least somewhat uncivil behavior by Adamant1, I think the list would be relatively long (and too long with too many too severe cases). It's certainly not rare exceptions and the user doesn't really durably change that behavior even when since a while ago generally choosing more moderate language after many ANUs. --Prototyperspective (talk) 19:45, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • My perspective, shaped by Commons:Deletion requests/File:This Is Fine (meme).png among other recent DRs, is that yes, Adamant1 has problems communicating civilly to people that disagree with him, but it would be incredibly disingenuous to take Prototyperspective and Dronebogus's testimony at face value, as they give as much as they get. In that DR, Adamant1's filing was blunt and colorfully worded but fine. Prototyperspective came in with an accusation of wikihounding (this is, in my opinion, not true: Adamant1 targets AI images regardless of their uploader) and Dronebogus came in with an accusation that Adamant1 was acting in bad faith ("especially if they are in scope at this point") (this is also, in my opinion, not true: I also struggle to see how that image was in scope). Naturally, after those accusations, conversation devolved, and I collapsed it and told the three of them they need to learn to communicate better because they're going to keep running into each other at DRs considering all three are interested in AI-related DRs and Adamant1 and the other two are on opposite sides a lot of the time. The stuff with everyone else I can't comment on, but at least in the interactions between Adamant1 and Prototyperspective and Dronebogus, all three are in the wrong. The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) 01:26, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    If you consider my behavior subpar, fine. I have no illusions of being exemplary. But I think Prototyperspective is not in the wrong, or at least not in the wrong maliciously. They are in my observation consistently civil with Adamant1 despite Adamant1 being consistently hostile with almost everyone (once again, in my observation which is backed up by multiple uninvolved third parties); their accusation of “wikihounding” is probably incorrect but certainly not unfounded given Adamant1 nominated something like five of their uploads in quick succession and (as acknowledged by you yourself) has a long history of fighting with Prototype on this topic. Plus Adamant1 has a long block record involving incivility and deletion discussions, showing that they just don’t learn. Dronebogus (talk) 04:20, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
     Comment At this point, I see 3 soulutions to this issue ends.
    • The second ever 2 way Interaction Ban (IBan) in commons history is implemented between these users and Adamant1.
    • Adamant1 gets indefed.
    • All three get indefed.
    I think the 2 way IBan is the best option, but probably needs more nuance than the normal blanket IBan that enwiki loves. All the Best -- Chuck Talk 04:29, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    I would support an indef for Adamant1– not out of a desire for punishment but because they’ve received multiple long blocks and not meaningfully changed the core problem of being extremely uncivil towards everyone they disagree with, making interacting with them tiresome for a lot of users (not just me or Prototyperspective). I would also support an interaction ban between Adamant1 and me and Adamant1 and Prototype (but not between me and Prototype obviously), either in place of or (ideally) in addition to an indef. As for a 3-way indef of me, Proto and Adamant— why? Prototype has done nothing wrong here besides standing up for themself when they felt unjustly targeted, and has a clean block log. And while neither my behavior here nor my block record are spotless, I was not the catalyst for this discussion, nor the incident several months ago that resulted in a one-month block. Dronebogus (talk) 04:50, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    I think we would be totally shooting ourselves in the foot to indef-ban three users who all generally do more good than harm.
    I could be mistaken, but while I've often found myself in disagreement with Prototyperspective, I have had few, if any, issues with their civility; the worst I've seen is a little too much sense of somehow being "picked on" (e.g. accusing Adamant1 of "hounding" when it appears to me that he is clearly making DRs based on the content, not on who uploaded them; FWIW, the latter is the sort of thing I've never seen him do), but that does not even approach a reason for an indef ban.
    I wouldn't oppose an IBAN (maybe for a year rather than permanent?), but for three very active users on a wiki with relatively few such, I don't see how it would work. Also, because Adamant1 does a lot of mass DRs, the bulk of them pretty well conceived, it would be hard for him to have to check the specific authorship of each file before including it. At the very least, we'd have to allow for accidents like that as a matter not leading to punishment (and I'm not exactly sure how that would work). - Jmabel ! talk 05:23, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not going to weigh into the whole thing about a indef or interaction ban. But I do want reiterate that I was totally in the wrong with how I responded to Abzeronow. I've certainly been at the butt end of a lot of insults, threats, false ANU reports, Etc. Etc. over the years that know ever cared about or was willing to deal with. I think we could all do a better job using, and holding each other accountable to, basic standards of civility and professionalism on here. I'm just a particularly easy target for some reason.
I will note that Prototyperspective is topic banned from anything having to do with AI generated images on Wikipedia for the exact same behavior. So the idea that he was just standing up for himself when he was being unjustly targeted is laughable. At least I apologized. I don't see him or Dronebogus apologizing for how both of them treated me. Again, I'm 100% responsible for I acted towards Abzeronow and am sorry that I didn't act better. But Dronebogus and Prototyperspective have absolutely no room to talk. I think all three of us, me, Dronebogus, and Protospective should move on and just not intentionally have anything to do with each other. I mostly ignore both of them unless it's totally necessary. The same goes for Yann. I think all three of them should do the same. There's no reason Yann needs to leave threatening messages on my talk page or report for minor issues when there's 200 other admins on here. Dronebogus isn't entitled to participate in DRs or CfD that I start either. So all of us should just avoid each other unless it's necessary for us to interact for some reason. --Adamant1 (talk) 07:04, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'm sort of shocked at this response. People here have pointed out that when you interact with Prototyperspective and Dronebogus, it goes badly. You seem to recognize this as well. And yet you felt the need to take another potshot at Prototyperspective and Dronebogus. People here were already defending you. This kind of comment makes your position worse, not better, because it demonstrates that you can't really disengage and discourages people that have stuck their neck out for you from doing so again in the future. I came here to second Jmabel's statement that indef bans seemed totally out of proportion here, but now I'm just pulling the ripcord on this conversation instead. Whatever happens, happens. I leave it to more patient admins to sort it out. The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) 07:31, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Just noting for the record that Adamant1 edited his comments after my reply The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) 07:38, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@The Squirrel Conspiracy: I'm just trying to deescalate things. If me, Protopsective, and Dronebogus interacting with each other causes problems then there's no reason we need to interact. You or anyone else can look through my edit history on here though. There's absolutely no conversation that I've joined and attacked Dronebogus in like he's repeatedly done to me. I've never advocated for him to blocked like he has repeatedly with me. I dropped it. He continued it by messaging you on your talk page and repeatedly said I should be indefed here. I Disengaged. He didn't. So I don't know what to tell you. Do you want to deal with the issue or just indef me and call it good? I don't care either way at this point but I do think the problem could be solved if me, Dronebogus, and Protospective just didn't have anything do with each other unless we have to. BTW, I edited my comment at the same time as you edited yours. --Adamant1 (talk) 07:41, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, but you needed to edit your comments. That’s the entire point! You shouldn’t have written what you did in the first place! - Chris.sherlock2 (talk)< Chris.sherlock2 (talk) 12:33, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Chris.sherlock2: I added a couple of sentences and spell checked it. I didn't change the message in any meaningful way. That's totally allowed and other people do it all the time. Your just looking for things to have an issue with. --Adamant1 (talk) 12:35, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
You did a lot more than just add a few sentences - you also mentioned Yann who is a person you seem to have an axe with. You think that The Squirrel Conspiracy got forced to note you edited your comments for a minor reason like fixing a typo? C’mon man, you know that’s not true. - Chris.sherlock2 (talk) 12:57, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
this is the diff. I added four sentences and changed a couple of words at the top that sounded weird, which is essentially what I said I did. Again, people do that sometimes and it's not usually not an issue when they do. --Adamant1 (talk) 13:04, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
You changed the tone of your comment. You also added “ But Dronebogus and Prototyperspective have absolutely no room to talk” - somewhat inflammatory specially after you apologised. You then added:
There's no reason Yann needs to leave threatening messages on my talk page or report for minor issues when there's 200 other admins on here. Dronebogus isn't entitled to participate in DRs or CfD that I start either. So all of us should just avoid each other unless it's necessary for us to interact for some reason
Well, I’ve checked the comment. There was nothing threatening about the request. Its unacceptable you master another personal comments about bother editor or admin.
It’s why your edit got called out. You are not making this any easier for yourself. - Chris.sherlock2 (talk) 13:19, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Chris.sherlock2: Yann has a history of being over zealous in giving people warnings or blocking them. He blocked me twice for reasons extremely questionable reasons. One of the was reverted by another administrator. I've also asked him multiple times to not leave block warnings on my page unless there's an extremely good reason for it and this doesn't qualify. So it was threating to me because of the prior issues. You can say there's nothing threating about it but you don't know the history. It certainly feels hostile considering that he's already blocked me for things that weren't legitimate issues. --Adamant1 (talk) 13:27, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Did he block you over this issue? - Chris.sherlock2 (talk) 13:29, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Furthermore - your feelings are clearly not reality in this situation. You were not threatened. You were asked a reasonable question. You admitted yourself you went about it the wrong way. And now, suddenly, Yann is at fault. - Chris.sherlock2 (talk) 13:32, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
No, but what difference does it make? The warning was still threatening and totally pointless. Plus he reported me to ANU almost immediately afterwards because I supposedly didn't back off or apologize when I didn't have a chance to. At the bare minimum, if an administrator is going to give someone a warning they shouldn't then immediately report them to ANU. The person should have a chance to remedy whatever the warning was about first. Otherwise it just comes off as harassing. With your added comment, what question was I asked exactly? The last time I checked talk page warnings aren't questions and Yann never asked me anything when he left it. --Adamant1 (talk) 13:37, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
He wrote “Hi, It seems that you uploaded a number of posters which do not have a proper license. Could you please fix that? Thanks, Yann (talk) 16:27, 4 May 2025 (UTC)”
it was not threatening. It was not a warning. It was a polite request that you fix your mass upload you made that had no licenses.
You the had to explain that you asked Krd for permission to get an “extension” of time to add the licenses after you had already uploaded them.
I think you need to withdraw your accusation of threatening behaviour by Yann. - Chris.sherlock2 (talk) 13:44, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'm talking about the block warning! Not him just saying something about the uploads. Why would I care about that? You need to stop feverishly writing messages and take the time to look into this. --Adamant1 (talk) 13:47, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
That’s a standard template, and it’s not a threat. It’s a warning that your behaviour is not acceptable and you could be blocked.
But, oh god, this only gets worse. You then found that you had to delete a raft of the posters at Commons:Deletion requests/Files in Category:Posters of Russia. So you basically uploaded material you didn’t know the copyright. And you want people to treat your claim of threatening behaviour seriously? - Chris.sherlock2 (talk) 13:53, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It can be a standard template. That's not really the point. Just like an administrator can give someone a "standard" (whatever that means) block and it can still wrong. With the posters, people sometimes upload things and then immediately nominate them for deletion so they can be undeleted when the copyrights expire. There as actually a conversation about it on the Village Pump a month or two ago. In this case, I think like half the posters were kept. Regardless, it's yet another thing that's a non-issue. --Adamant1 (talk) 14:01, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Funny you have not mentioned this in the deletion discussion. - Chris.sherlock2 (talk) 14:05, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Why would I? People tend not to mention things that are non-issues. --Adamant1 (talk) 14:07, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Adamant1: I don't think it's a very big ask that you add appropriate licenses to the images as you upload them. Even with the biggest assumption of good faith, supposing you got busy with work or family, this could potentially use a non-insignificant amount of other's time, which seems impolite. GMGtalk 14:28, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@GreenMeansGo: I generally agree with that but I have the month off due to a shoulder injury. So this is literally all I'm doing right know and there's not going to be any family issues. Otherwise I wouldn't have done it. But I don't think it's that big of an issue if the user is committed to adding the licenses. --Adamant1 (talk) 18:26, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Adamant1: Adding the licenses upon upload is a requirement of policy COM:EVID.   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me🇺🇦 18:34, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Jeff G.: OK. I honestly thought there was a grace period because of the 7 Template:Strikethorugh days the template gives people to add a license. I'm certainly not going to make the same mistake again though. It's to bad templates, admins, and random users don't ever agree or line up with each other about how to do things. --Adamant1 (talk) 18:38, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Adamant1, which template are you referring to? - Chris.sherlock2 (talk) 19:29, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Template:No license since "unless this issue is resolved, the file will be deleted seven days after this tag was added." BTW, Category:Media without a license also says "7 days ago eligible for deletion:" I. E. Files without a license become eligible for deletion seven days after being uploaded. --Adamant1 (talk) 19:38, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

That is not 7 weeks, a few weeks, or even a couple of weeks.   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me🇺🇦 20:04, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Jeff G.: Sorry, I meant 7 days. I just mistyped it. Obviously 7 weeks would be excessive. 7 days still isn't the moment or day of upload though. --Adamant1 (talk) 20:55, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
That's a courtesy for those who uploaded in good faith without knowing they should add a license. That's not for people who know our licensing rules, as you do. - Chris.sherlock2 (talk) 21:47, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think that's insinuated in the template anywhere and it certainly wasn't the positions of either Jmabel or KDR when both of them were made aware of what I'm doing. I'm not planning on uploading images without licenses to any meaningful degree in the future anyway. So it's a non-issue either way regardless. We'll have to agree to disagree though. --Adamant1 (talk) 21:55, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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To address the recent interactions with me: the hounding was more a mention than some formal accusation, I think it would be in the early stages and I could be wrong but if it continued much further I think it would be such and then I would not just have mentioned it somewhere; I already stopped mentioning it and won't mention it again. The user does participate in lots of AI-related DRs but I have many if not most AI images on my Watchlist (since I identified and categorized many) and iirc quite rarely did he make DRs that are not or do not include AI image(s) that I made (and I haven't made that many) and it wasn't just about DRs but also other threads the user made at that time. It's not like he picks the worst cases of AI images to DR like those with misgeneration, but rather those that were so useful that they had been used until recently. In that thread about the This is Fine image I only replied twice to the user to address specific ontopic points (which is because I think if claims that I think are false or misleading stay uncorrected, it basically spreads misinformation and/or leads to flawed decisions since they'd be based on flawed claims, especially if those claims are about what I did, and deliberation is how decisions I think are made with 2 replies not being many but already stopped commenting there). The image is a rare example of a popular meme adaptation via an AI image tool plus either the only or one of two images illustrating that popular meme and for mainly the former reason was used in the well-watched article List of Internet phenomena for quite a while until some user bulk-removed AI images for the reason that they're made with AI so I don't see how that file must be deleted or how one could not see how it can be useful despite both the explanation and the former use so I think it's legitimate to address a few points (btw often with Adamant1 that develops into walls of text where clarifications are needed such as that I was addressing another user not him as he claimed or that I didn't claim what he says I claimed etc; and I've learned to keep my replies at a minimum – walls of text where the key points are not addressed are a problem I think). That's some context regarding the recent DRs. Note that all of this is not limited to interactions with me or Dronebogus or recent times, the user has a long and continuing track record of incivility. Prototyperspective (talk) 11:00, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The hounding was more a mention than some formal accusation From what I remember Prototyperspective accused me of harassment and wikihounding in like 5 or 6 different discussions. Including on Wikidata. I explained to him why it wasn't harassment the first couple of times he made the claim but he still continued making it. Prototyperspective only stopped because I emailed Jmabel and he told him to knock it off. Otherwise he probably would have just continued doing it. Prototyperspective and Dronebogus act like my behavior was such a big issues when I'm the one who had to contact administrators so both of them would lay off me. --Adamant1 (talk) 11:20, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I didn't think of it as harassment but as targeting a single user one doesn't like and I stopped when I learned "wikihounding" is considered some kind of harassment rather than just the, for the lack of a better word, targeting of a user one doesn't like which making 5 DRs and 2 threads within 2 days or so (plus comments about & to me at multiple places elsewhere) seems like if it would have continued much further and when Jmabel asked. Whatever the correct term is, I think it's overengagement basically – sorry for a too early or inappropriate naming of wikihounding – and what you claimed is that you wouldn't be selectively targeting my files and the things I do, including what happened to all that bitching about how I was supposedly Wikihounding you?. Prototyperspective (talk) 11:36, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It's possible Dronebogus was the one who used the word harassment but Wikihounding is a form of it. So it's a distinction without a purpose. Whatever you want to call it I still wasn't selectively targeting your files or things you do anyway though and you only stopped accusing me of Wikihounding because Jmabel told you to. --Adamant1 (talk) 11:49, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Agree with Adamant1. These accusations of wikihoonding on deletion discussions need to stop. If someone thinks this is happening, it comes here. Dronebogus, you need to stop making these accusatios on deletion discussions. - Chris.sherlock2 (talk) 13:05, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I’ve been pretty critical of Adamant1, but now I feel you need a small reality check. You shouldn’t be raising accusations of wikihounding in deletion discussions. How do you think that’s going to go? Accusations like that make it hard for an uninvolved third party like myself from commenting.
If you have behavioural concerns, you clearly know the appropriate forum. You didn’t use it, instead you decided to go to war with Adamant1 in the deletion discussion. You aren’t covered in glory here yourself. - Chris.sherlock2 (talk) 13:02, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
instead you decided to go to war with Adamant1 in the deletion discussion That's false.
And please also reread what I said about wikihounding such as that I already stopped mentioning it, that I think that was at most at the early stage of it and didn't know it was considered a form of harassment, why I brought it up, my apology related to it etc; I'm not going top repeat all of it. Prototyperspective (talk) 13:51, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
So you agree not to make accusations of wikihounding on deletion discussions? - Chris.sherlock2 (talk) 13:54, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yes of course and have long stopped it as clarified at I stopped when I learned […] and when Jmabel asked […] sorry for a too early or inappropriate naming of wikihounding. Prototyperspective (talk) 14:00, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
But you can also understand how Adamant1 might have felt, right? Because I can see why he’d be upset with that sort of accusation. - Chris.sherlock2 (talk) 14:03, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
This whole thing is not much related to this; the uncivil behavior now and the long list of prior incidents are all unrelated to that. By the way, he also made various accusations about me (e.g. making bad-faith accusations why I do certain things that take many hours of volunteer time that I do because I think they are particular constructive) in those 7+ recent threads. After spending many hours to do my best and even learning new skills just to close particularly important gaps of media, I get nothing but things thrown at me by the user in 7+ threads within 2 days, so please also consider how I have felt about that and that this accusation was meant to be a mention in the form of one of multiple points that I thought were relevant at the places until I learned more about this which I already apologized for. To make it short, the recent cases of incivility are mostly unrelated to this and those cases why this ANU were opened all are. Prototyperspective (talk) 14:26, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Prototyperspective: I appreciate the clarification and apology. I actually wasn't aware that you didn't know it was harassment. I'm not going to fault you for an honest mistake or something said in the heat of the moment even if you and some other people in this discussion aren't willing to use the same standard. --Adamant1 (talk) 18:35, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. I can definitely understand how you felt with some of the comments being made about you also. I appreciate you can see the other side of the issue. I’m sorry you had put up with uncivil behaviour - I in no way condone this. - Chris.sherlock2 (talk) 18:51, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, The result of this discussion is clear: Adamant1 is not able to understand the issue. His comments are not acceptable. PERIOD. And since he doesn't understand that, and more generally does not understand what "civil" means (see comment by Dronebogus and others above), he should be permanently blocked from editing Commons. We do not need users with this behavior, however productive they may be otherwise. Yann (talk) 14:39, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I’m pretty certain Yann has sensibly not said anything about this, but he has now been accused of threatening behaviour and “warning” Adamant1 against uploading over 2,000 images that have no license. I have reviewed the comments Yann made, and after Adamant1 clarified his position on being threatened it seems that he has massively mischaracterised Yann’s intentions:
  • Yann gave Adamant1 a warning about his behaviour and the way he was treating others in a deletion discussion, and in his capacity as an admin noted such behaviour could get one blocked. It is a fact that if you make personal attacks against others this can happen: in fact Adamant1 has already admitted he was overly personal and he needed to apologise. So there is no threatening behaviour here, just an appropriate warning about behaviour.
  • Yann asked why over 2,000 images were uploaded without a license. He politely asked for this to be fixed. This is not inappropriate. It is inappropriate to have uploaded this many images without a license in the first place. It has always been the responsibility of the uploader to prove an appropriate license. I note that Adamant1 then placed a massive number of these posters for a deletion review. He claims in this ANU thread he did this so at some point in the future they can be underrated when they are out of copyright. He also claims this was discussed on the VP and is an acceptable thing to do - I never saw that discussion, and he has not provide a link to it in the archives.
Whilst Yann has not said anything, I feel I must. This is all extremely concerning. Adamant1 should not be making personal comments during discussion and then expect he can apologise afterwards. Whilst we all make mistakes and need to apologise, it is not acceptable to think you can routinely make personal comments during a heated debate and then apologise. He should not be making these comments at all. This appears to be being done routinely, and it needs to stop. - Chris.sherlock2 (talk) 18:45, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I don't remember the exact title of the discussion right now but both Yann and Jmabel were involved in it. Maybe one of them can provide a link or back up that it was discussed. People do upload images under the guize of nominating it for deletion so it can be restored when the copyright expires. Maybe assume good faith instead of acting like I just made the whole thing up. A good portion of my time on here is spent dealing with COPYIO. I wouldn't have uploaded a bunch of images without licenses for no reason and without basing it on something and having a plan to deal with them. --Adamant1 (talk) 18:50, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Here is the diff. Specifically you edited your comment to read:
There's no reason Yann needs to leave threatening messages on my talk page or report for minor issues when there's 200 other admins on here. Dronebogus isn't entitled to participate in DRs or CfD that I start either. So all of us should just avoid each other unless it's necessary for us to interact for some reason
We only several hours ago discussed this, so you know exactly what I’m referring to. - Chris.sherlock2 (talk) 18:54, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
And I'm referring to you saying "he also claims this was discussed on the VP and is an acceptable thing to do." Your treating me like I made the whole thing and just uploaded a bunch of images without licenses for no reason. --Adamant1 (talk) 18:59, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Not at all, I’m not saying you made anything up. I just haven’t seen the discussion so I have no idea what was discussed or concluded. It is very surprising to me that this would be the conclusion though, and it does tend to go against what I consider the spirit of Commons!
Perhaps it would be helpful to point us to the discussion in the archives. - Chris.sherlock2 (talk) 19:04, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
So, going back to your comment about Yann’s “threatening messages”, you now accept there’s nothing threatening about them? - Chris.sherlock2 (talk) 19:11, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I looked for it but it was about creating an upload cache original and then turned into a discussion about that later on. So I can't seem to find it. I'll link to if I do though. I don't see how uploading something with the purpose of restoring it when the copyright expires goes against the spirit of Commons. We're here to preserve educational media for future generations right? --Adamant1 (talk) 19:12, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
No, that is not our primary focus. We do not act as a clearinghouse of copyrighted material until which time copyright expires. Where on earth would you have gotten that idea?
Wikimedia Commons is a media file repository making available public domain and freely licensed educational media content (images, sound and video clips) to everyone, in their own language. We aren’t a file sharing platform, and we aren’t an archive. What you are doing seems like an abuse of the core purpose of commons, and if there was a discussion where anything other than this was the conclusion, I’d very much like to see it.
In fact, I’d go so far as to say that if this is behaviour that is being encouraged, then we are putting the project at considerable risk of copyright claims. You cannot just store copyrighted material on your servers regardless if they are publicly accessible or not! - Chris.sherlock2 (talk) 19:26, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'd agree if it was being done in mass, by a non-contributor just as a way to use Commons as a file host. 10 posters isn't that big of a deal though. I certainly wouldn't do it beyond this one time because it allowed me to upload a bunch of stuff that was PD in the process. I added 13 thousand images to the project that are clearly PD while having to delete like 30 files that weren't. I think that's generally a win for Commons even if you don't. --Adamant1 (talk) 19:31, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Your good work doesn't mean that you can violate the norms of the project though. And I do appreciate the work you do here.
My understanding is that you uploaded by a commonly used but broken tool, is this correct? - Chris.sherlock2 (talk) 21:49, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I told you there was a discussion about it, in fact I think there's been several of them in the last year, and that other people upload images so they can be deleted until the copyright expires. So there's no "norms of the project" being violated here. It's certainly not against the rules to upload images using Flickr2Commons. I think you need to drop the stick and back away from the dead horse. --Adamant1 (talk) 21:58, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Chris.sherlock2: I can't directly link to it for some reason, but do a search for "Derivative works (FOP etc.)" on the Village Pump. I think that was one of the discussions that I'm referring to. I can't find it but there was a longer one at some point. --Adamant1 (talk) 22:08, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Chris.sherlock2: Commons:Village pump/Archive/2025/03 "Undeletion." To quote a couple of administrators, Jmabel "I've actually done quite a bit of that." Rosenzweig "some users already do this...I'm doing it myself as well." There's also Commons:Upload, delete and undelete. Anyway, apparently according to you Jmabel and Rosenzweig are "violating the norms of the project" or some nonsense. Weird opinion but alright. --Adamant1 (talk) 00:32, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
That… is concerning. Copyright law doesn’t allow us to store material owned by someone who has a current copyright. Storing copyrighted works without permission is generally illegal!
The U.S. Copyright Act (Title 17 of the United States Code) governs copyright law. It explicitly prohibits the unauthorized reproduction and distribution of copyrighted works. Storing a copyrighted work on a server creates a reproduction, and making it available for others to access constitutes distribution.
Are the WMF lawyers aware this is Commons standard practice? - Chris.sherlock2 (talk) 01:16, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
{ping|Chris.sherlock2}} "Storing copyrighted works without permission is generally illegal!" I believe that is pretty much just wrong; publishing in violation of copyright is subject to action, and possibly there is some circumstance where harboring copyrighted materials could be an issue, but in general, no. Remember, Commons and other wikis do not normally hard-delete anything; the only exception I can think of is CSAM. Every other "deleted" file on Commons is still available to every admin, which is to say millions of copyrighted files. If this is illegal, then we have had an illegal practice from the moment of our founding. And I suspect the same is true of most archives in the world (and, yes, we are an archive even if you'd rather not think of us that way.) I could go on for multiple paragraphs elaborating on this, but I'd rather not waste either my own time or that of the readers.
As for uploading materials that will be copyright-free at a later date: yes, we do this with some frequency. The main reason we don't to more of it is simply that the admin overhead is high to get it right, so we try to stick mainly to materials of reasonably high importance. But it should be no surprise that this is a big piece of how we make massive numbers of newly PD files each year on January 1.
If you disagree with this and really want to argue the point, feel free to start a separate discussion. This is getting very far aside of the issue of whether Adamant1 has exceeded the bounds of civility. - Jmabel ! talk 03:43, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
We're getting a bit off-track here, this thread is about user conduct, not the legality of Commons’ backend file handling. That said, if Jmabel is correct in claiming it's acceptable to upload copyrighted works today and just delete them pending future PD status, then by that logic, I could upload the entirety of The Avengers, delete it, and it would still be available to all admins indefinitely, and somehow that wouldn’t count as piracy? Making something available, even if only to a select group with elevated permissions, is still publication under copyright law. --Jonatan Svensson Glad (talk) 03:55, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Can I paraphrase that as "we're getting off track here, so let's get farther off track?" I am willing to have this discussion, but not here. - Jmabel ! talk 04:15, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I’ve start a thread on VP. - Chris.sherlock2 (talk) 15:51, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Adamant1: Can we reach an agreement here to keep this from being 50 pages long, and hopefully allow you to contribute productively?
  1. Don't upload media without a license, at all. A lot of this seems to have already been hashed out and agreed to.
  2. Don't be a jerk. This includes things like not using curses at all in your commentary. It's not just inflammatory, but actually hurts your argument. It's much more convincing to use plain language.
I don't know if you've noticed, but you don't seem to be making any allies with the current approach. This really comes with an implication that this is basically a final warning. It really isn't that hard to not be a jerk and take feedback when you're wrong. We're all at least occasionally wrong. GMGtalk 14:22, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
1. I might accidentally upload a file without a license once in a while. I'm not going to do it on this scale or in this way again though. It was just a one off so I could upload 12000 other files that had licenses because I thought the trade off was worth it at the time. Apparently it wasn't.
2. Yeah, I'm not going to be a jerk. I said it already, but I don't really see "ass" as cursing. It's just immature. Maybe it's a culture thing though. So I'm not going to say it again. I use to say "dude" and "whatever" but I don't anymore because apparently both are offense to some people. Even if there aren't to me. I have absolutely no problem doing that. But you don't know what you don't know and everyone has different standards. I'm not going to intentionally curse though. --Adamant1 (talk) 16:06, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Take out the word “ass” from “lazy ass slack off” and you have “lazy slack off”. You see how this is still problematic, right? - Chris.sherlock2 (talk) 16:25, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah sure. “lazy slack off” isn't cursing though and that's what I was addressing. --Adamant1 (talk) 16:27, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, so I’d be less concerned about the cursing and more concerned about assuming they were acting in bad faith. Combine a lack of AGF with inflammatory language and no debate will progress very far in any forum. - Chris.sherlock2 (talk) 16:37, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

PD-mark

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I just want to point out that with Flick2Commons and several other tools, I believe including the UploadWizard, any time you upload a file with the PD-mark directly from Flickr (which I believe is what Adamant1 did on this batch) it will arrive on Commons with no valid license. If it is not permitted for users to do this, then the tools should not support doing this, any more than they support bringing in NC-licensed files.

In fact, I think it is perfectly permissible to do this, as long as you deal with the issue in a timely manner. It is possible that the batch size here was large enough to make it impossible to handle this in a timeframe that would usually be considered acceptable, and I think it's clear Adamant1 learned a lesson on that front, but GreenMeansGo are you saying (a) that Adamant1 should never bring such files to Commons, (b) that no one should ever bring such files to Commons, (c) that no one (or just Adamant1) should never use the standard tools for this, and should download to their own PC and then upload by other means with a specific PD tag on upload, or just (d) none of the above, because you had not considered this technical issue? - Jmabel ! talk 17:14, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I would not recommend someone upload thousands of files without licenses with the expectation that they'll go back and fix them. For modern free licenses, as far as I'm aware, F2C copies the license faithfully. The PD mark from Flickr is particularly problematic as I'm sure you know, because it still requires evaluation of each individual file and a rationale for why it is PD. The average internet user isn't especially savvy on what is and is not PD. So if you have to evaluate each file individually anyway, it's certainly preferable to do that on the front end as they are uploaded. GMGtalk 17:40, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'm certainly not going to upload thousands of files without licenses again. It's not like I haven't accidentally left out a license when I uploaded a file through PattyPan once or twice either. So I can't commit to never doing it since that's how Flickr2Commons works and it just happens sometimes. I totally agree with the opinion that thousands of files shouldn't be uploaded at once without licenses though. I thought it would be OK in this specific instance because I'm not an average user, I had put time aside specifically to add the licenses, and it allowed the uploading of 12000 files that were fine. Obviously that turned out to be wrong. So that's my bad. It won't happen again. I really need to do a better job of accounting for the perverse priorities on here. --Adamant1 (talk) 18:19, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

User:Hi-s24

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Through copyvio warning and a month blocking, this user didn't stop uploading copyvio portraits and logos. See also his log. Netora (talk) 22:46, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

ː Comment - some of those logos look TOO simple to be copyrighted Gbawden (talk) 11:40, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

User:Shinagawabooster

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This user continued to upload more suspected internet images after receiving a final warning and multiple file deletion notices. 0x0a (talk) 07:05, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

ː✓ Done Blocked for a month Gbawden (talk) 11:38, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

MOHAMMED KASSAR

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  — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me🇺🇦 08:43, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

They claims that poster is their own work. I Already asked for permission(s) to use. — D Y O L F 77[Talk] 10:21, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
✓ Done Blocked for 3 months. This is their last chance so lets hope they get the message Gbawden (talk) 11:36, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

User:Fabio ferroviere

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continued to copyright violations despite being warned. 0x0a (talk) 11:24, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

ː✓ Done Blocked for a month Gbawden (talk) 11:34, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

User:Laurel Lodged

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Online translation: I ask you to block participant @Laurel Lodged: for edits in the topic under discussion Commons:Categories for discussion/2025/04/Category:Dioceses of the Orthodox Church in America (Moscow Patriarchate). He started a war of edits [2] & etc. Ыфь77 (talk) 08:06, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

✓ Done Both users blocked. Enough is enough. You two cool off. Bedivere (talk) 18:53, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Nagar1020

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  — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me🇺🇦 20:04, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

✓ Done Blocked. Yann (talk) 20:10, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yann: Thanks!   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me🇺🇦 19:47, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

User:Adem

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The user Adem, authorized to modify file names, uses this permission to change the names of villages from Kurdish (local names) to Turkish using criterion 4.

And sometimes, he doesn't even provide a reason for this change...

Criterion 4 does not allow changing file names in the imported language to another language. In case of a title error (there is no error here) or standardization, the original language must be used. This is therefore a dishonest and misleading use of this criterion for political purposes, in this case, to change Kurdish names to Turkish ones. This user is thus abusing the rights granted to him.

I am no longer very active on Wikimedia and, as a result, I cannot review all of this user's modifications due to lack of time (he obtained this right in 2014). Hence my warning directly on this page regarding this user's behavior, whose impartiality I doubt concerning files in the Kurdish language.

I believe his file renaming rights should be revoked because we cannot spend our time checking his modifications.

Here are his latest modifications:

Ping @MikaelF, Gomada, and Dûrzan cîrano: (authors of images) Ghybu (talk) 15:44, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  •  Comment The user's claims do not reflect the truth actually. I have been participating in the WikiData Coordinate Me campaign with the WikiData Free Image Search Tool since the beginning of May. In this context, I connect photographs of local settlements in Turkey to Wikidata statements. During this process, I noticed that many high-quality images had not been used in Turkish WP and (some other languages) ​​for many years. For ex, this file although it has been on Commons for 15 years, it has not been visible to readers. The main reason for this is the Kurdish name, because there are no language versions using the local name other than the Kurdish Wikipedia. Being villages in Turkey and having a different official name than the local known name prevents these photos from being viewed on the Commons portal and used in appropriate articles. I evaluated a set of images in Criterion 4 to harmonize their names. This part may include more technical details, but my main mission is to make the files accessible and use them in more articles. If an incorrect file name moving considered, a naming process using Turkish and Kurdish names together in parentheses is also possible. Adem (talk) 16:45, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    @Adem: Commons:File renaming overtly spells out that "Files should NOT be renamed only to translate the filename to another language" (capitals and bolding in the original). In this case, this is particularly fraught because of the obvious cultural sensitivities.
    I'll assume you made these moves in good faith; they should still be moved back, which at this point will have to be done by an administrator. (If no one else volunteers, I'll get to it some time in the next few days. It's a pain-in-the-butt task.) If you intend to continue as a filemover, I suggest you re-read Commons:File renaming, know the rules, and abide by them in the future. If something like this comes up again, I for one won't really care whether you acted in good faith or not. - Jmabel ! talk 17:30, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    And, for the record, this is not what "harmonization of names" means. It means things like if you have successive pages in a book, mostly in sequence, but a few files are weirdly named, it is OK to harmonize those with the other names. Similarly, if we have a standard naming scheme for files from some archive, we might apply that even to a file that some user uploaded independently of batch processes. It does not mean imposing a particular language's place names. If I encounter a file whose name refers to "シアトル", I don't change that to "Seattle", and that isn't even politically fraught. - Jmabel ! talk 17:36, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    I moved all from the list back to the original name. GPSLeo (talk) 18:48, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    @GPSLeo, thank you very much! MikaelF (talk) 08:16, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    @Jmabel Thank you. "Harmonizing of names" it'a typical soft saying by assimilation policy supporters in relation to their minoritized neighbours in their country. The method is changing an original name into a bilingual one, and then changing/harmonizing the bilingual one into only one "official" name. I have named my files in Kurdish as they refer to places, people or items in Kurdistan. Other files are named in other languages and do no wish to be "harmonized" either. MikaelF (talk) 08:14, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for the information and for seeing that I acted in good faith. @Jmabel: , @GPSLeo: I'm going to go over the file renaming rules again because I may have forgotten or misinterpreted some of them. I would expected the user who opened this section and the person above to take this in a more constructive tone, but it looks like Commons:Harassment and Commons:No personal attacks. Adem (talk) 10:01, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Adem: If you are saying what happened to you here amounts to you being harassed then, sorry, no. You did something you shouldn't have, and that you should at least have been aware would rustle cultural sensitivities. I can't really blame someone who is connected to the ethnic/linguistic group you—presumably inadvertently—offended for failing to begin from an assumption of good faith in a case like this. I can expect them to accept that this was an honest error an move on. - Jmabel ! talk 19:25, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Who are the "assimilation policy supporters"? Is doing something I shouldn't have done a reason to be accused or personally attacked? Is lack of information or misinterpretation a crime on the Commons portal? Is it considered good faith to leave a warning message on my discussion page before moving the topic to the administrators' board? In fact, not consciously carrying out the moving processes with any ethnic or cultural motive is a critical point for the evaluation of the process. I would like to see other admin opinions as well. @Geagea: , @Taivo: , @Kadı: - Adem (talk) 21:40, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Adem, @GPSLeo, @MikaelF and @Jmabel: This can not be considered as an assimilation policy. These lands are controlled by Turkish government. These areas' official names are in Turkish but with the affection of sociocultural factors, some of the lands have original names in Arabic, Kurdish, Armenian, Greek etc. As Commons is a multilingual project, the uploaders have a freedom to give names in all languages. Therefore, the renamings done by Adem is not acceptable according to the policies.
Also, I see that renamings which have done by Adem are reverted but MikaelF's comment is not acceptable and seems like a personal attack. MikaelF, please do not continue this behavior and please assume good faith. In addition, I see that Adem has understood the issue. Thanks for pinging. Best wishes to everyone. Kadı Message 21:54, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

MBC3 Fan 2022

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  — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me🇺🇦 20:26, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Blocked for week. EugeneZelenko (talk) 00:00, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sailor Puck

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Sailor Puck (talk · contribs) doesn't seem to understand the various licenses they are assigning to uploaded files. Lots of copyvios. JayCubby (talk) 03:56, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

✓ Done Blocked from uploading new files, and Commons:Deletion requests/Files uploaded by Sailor Puck. Yann (talk) 09:15, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

user:Sbb1413 and “unusual”

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This user unilaterally went through and obliterated an entire category tree as explained in Commons:Categories for discussion/2024/09/Category:Unusual, and then closed the discussion about it as basically “I destroyed this whole category tree so it’s a moor point”. This user is not an admin and therefore had no right to close this discussion, let alone implement an extremely drastic action because of it, since there wasn’t an obvious consensus outside of a weak minority. There is no obvious way to reverse this decision regardless of merits but playing fast and loose with policies with such extreme actions shouldn’t be tolerated. Dronebogus (talk) 04:35, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

So this doesn't turn into a pile on like happened to me once on another WMF project, can we please get Sbb to revert the changes he made? He may have thought he was doing the right thing by making the changes and has inadvertently caused a bit of a mess. - Chris.sherlock2 (talk) 05:35, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, strike that. He's made a big mess. I think he needs to stop working on the project until he has reverted all the changes he made. - Chris.sherlock2 (talk) 05:41, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Dronebogus and Chris.sherlock2: Apologies for any inconvenience. I will revert these changes soon. Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs • uploads) 06:51, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I closed the CFD in good faith, and I never understood that there will be concerns regarding the CFD closure. Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs • uploads) 07:06, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Good faith isn’t an excuse for making a huge mess that is basically impossible to fix. Dronebogus (talk) 07:19, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Says you. It is totally possible to fix a major error. Yeah, he's going to get a lot of opprobrium for his actions, but why don't we give the guy a chance. I've been in his shoes, and I sure as hell would have liked people to have given me a chance to revert the mistake I made. Instead, I was drubbed out of a community I loved.
So in this case, I'm keen to prevent it happening again. Sbb1413, I think you know by now that you've made a huge mistake - you are going to have to revert all your changes. Like, all of them. Once you have done this I think you need to make an apology and cease closing any discussions for some time. - Chris.sherlock2 (talk) 08:19, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • He was assisted in this by an admin following (yet again) C2 speedy deletions for "Delete this empty and useless category" immediately, despite the fact that the category had only just been emptied by Sbb1413. This keeps happening, and it keeps making big chaos out of small chaos. Andy Dingley (talk) 11:37, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    I think longstanding category trees need more protection than this. Not too long ago a user went around making huge changes to how the sexuality category tree worked that seemed to be little more than useless busywork which I had to go around reverting. Dronebogus (talk) 13:24, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    If need be, I'm happy to start up chuckbot to help with the mass rollbacks, assuming Sbb made no other edits during that timeframe. All the Best -- Chuck Talk 15:14, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    @Alachuckthebuck: Thank you for help. I have paused my edits on Commons till my changes related to "unusual" categories are all reverted. Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs • uploads) 16:08, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I am still looking forward to solving the category trees like Category:Unusual with proper discussion and consensus. I took the initiative to determine the consensus of the CFD, now it is up to admins or other experienced users. Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs • uploads) 16:11, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Sbb1413, did you make any edits to commons that weren't in relation to the category tree unusual while editing that tree? (if you did anything other than page creations during the edit period, then they could get rollbacked if i don't know) All the Best -- Chuck Talk 16:31, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Alachuckthebuck: Yes, I made such unrelated edits from 5:33 to 18:14 UTC on 7 May 2025. Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs • uploads) 16:36, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Is that the only case? All the Best -- Chuck Talk 16:55, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
This was already addressed at the Village Pump and a discussion at CfD is ongoing. Opening an ANU case against a user demanding he be banned for, by all accounts, acting in good faith (at worst making a mistake in doing so) is excessive. Also, you don't need to be an admin to close CfDs and act on their conclusion. ReneeWrites (talk) 19:35, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I've posted at the CFD, and will wait for response. All the Best -- Chuck Talk 21:06, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
You don’t need to be an admin, but the conclusion should be super unambiguous, which this wasn’t; and as I just said good faith is not an excuse for making drastic, irreversible changes to a huge number of categories especially if you’re not an admin and especially if there’s only a vague semblance of a consensus. Plus, where did I or anyone else “demand” a ban? The worst that should happen here is that Sbb1413 is not allowed to close discussions or dismantle entire longstanding category trees, the latter of which IMO no non-admin should even be doing in the first place. Dronebogus (talk) 22:31, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
You don't see to have made any demands in your initial report. Can you be clear what you would like the admins to do? - Chris.sherlock2 (talk) 00:10, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I just said: this user should not be allowed to make these kinds of decisions (elaborated above). If there’s a magic admin tool to revert their mass category purging that would also be nice. Dronebogus (talk) 00:23, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

User:Paras Brahmani 123

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Uploading a plenty of selfies, using commons as personal web host. 0x0a (talk) 11:44, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Files deleted. User warned. GMGtalk 12:18, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

User:Ələddin.Məlikov

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User is uploading copyrighted(CC-BY-NC) images and pdfs. He is also claiming them all as own work- the username is the same as the editor of the journals where the pdf is from- but there is no evidence he actually is that person. DoctorWhoFan91 (talk) 12:04, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

And a blank user page, which really should be left as a red-link if that is what you are going to do. - Jmabel ! talk 19:31, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I think the only way these files (and this account) can be kept is for him to go through account verification, as described at Commons:Username policy. - Jmabel ! talk 19:32, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

JohnCheddermanthe3rd

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  — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me🇺🇦 20:53, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Jeff G., ✓ Done Kadı Message 22:04, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

HolaChau150

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HolaChau150 (talk · contributions · Statistics · Recent activity · block log · User rights log · uploads · Global account information) two re-creations of the same copyvio upload after speedy deletions. Quick1984 (talk) 23:16, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't know it was necessary to mark that the image was a YouTube screenshot.
I'm so sorry with this mistake.
Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6MqpK91bEA
Author: Vatican News
If uploading the screenshot is still not allowed, I will not try again. HolaChau150 (talk) 23:36, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
it isn't, if you reupload, you will get blocked. Bedivere (talk) 23:37, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
See COM:YT. Quick1984 (talk) 23:39, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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